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As the previous thread (16) has exceeded the 100 posts mark and is now too large to effectively manage, I've started a new thread here.
Please kindly post all your MILITARY updates, requests & corrections here and I'll action them as quickly as I can.
Kind regards, Brian
PLEASE NOTE: I will be taking 6 weeks out of updating from 1st December 2021 until early January 2022 in order to try to catch-up with some of my own logging (still in October 1977!) and personal life.
Any requests posted by the end of November will be actioned before I go to sleep!
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian,
Yes you are right another typo, BAPC.274 not 272 is correct. May I return the compliment with a small slip on your part, WV605 you have listed as a Jet Provost rather than a Provost. I would say enjoy your time out but I know you have desperately been trying to break out of the 1970's in terms of your own logs so I am guessing you will probably end up spending even more time than usual adding items to the DB while trying to catch up.
A few more to add please, hopefully the last I need to add until you return in January. I have tried to restrict it to real aeroplanes this time but one or two pretend ones have sneaked in.
Avro 716 Shackleton MR.3 C/N unknown
12/12/1956 WR971 Royal Air Force
By 2002 WR971 Fenland and West Norfolk Aviation Museum
WR971 Norfolk and Suffolk Aviation Museum
Hawker Hurricane I C/N unknown
06/1940 P3717 Royal Air Force
11/10/1941 DR348 Modified to Mk2 standard and allocated to the Soviet Air Force
09/1990 Jim Pearce
1990 Hurricane & Aircrew Collection
2001 Hawker Restoration Ltd
19/12/2008 G-HITT Hawker Hurricane Ltd
11/02/2021 G-HITT Jennifer Taylor
Supermarine 359 Spitfire HF.VIIIc C/N 6S/583793
09/1944 MV154 Royal Air Force
09/12/1944 A58-671 Royal Australian Air Force
09/1949 A58-671 Sydney Technical College
1961 A58-671 Anthony J.R. Oates
1963 A58-671 Sid Marshall
1975 A58-671 Jack P. Davidson
1977 A58-671 Brian A. Simpson
18/09/1979 A58-671 Robs J. Lamplough, shipped to the UK
23/12/1982 G-BKMI Fighter Wing Display Team Ltd
08/04/1987 G-BKMI The Aerial Museum (North Weald) Ltd
17/11/2006 G-BKMI Robert John Lamplough
18/03/2010 G-BKMI Max-Alpha Aviation GMBH
05/07/2010 D-FEUR Max-Alpha Aviation GMBH
03/12/2019 G-BKMI Max-Alpha Aviation GMBH wearing MT928
Supermarine 361 Spitfire LF.IXe C/N CBAF 8912
28/04/1944 HN341 Royal Air Force
22/06/1944 Royal Canadian Air Force
02/07/1944 Shot down by FW190's of JG26 South-East of Caen
1996 Remains displayed at Musee Memorial de la Bataille de Normandie at Bayeux
2003 Remains displayed at the Juno Beach Museum at Courseulles-sur-Mer during 2003 where it was described as being ML295
From 2011 Restored and converted to a dual cockpit T9 version by Historic Flying Ltd
04/06/2014 G-CICK Keith Michael Peerkins
28/05/2021 G-CICK Aero Legends Leasing Ltd wearing HN341
Hawker Hurricane I C/N P2902
1940 P2902 Royal Air Force
30/05/1940 Crash landed on a beach near Dunkirk
19/09/1994 G-ROBT Ricky Ashley Roberts
13/05/2016 G-ROBT Anglia Aircraft Restorations Ltd Wearing P2902
Hawker Hurricane I C/N 41H-136172
09/1940 V7497 Royal Air Force
28/09/1940 Shot down over Kent by BF109’s
24/04/2002 G-HRLI Hawker Restorations Ltd and restored to flying condition
De Havilland DHC-1 Chipmunk T.10 C/N C1/0807
1953 WP929 Royal Air Force
03/03/1997 G-BXCV Propshop Ltd
11/05/2000 G-BXCV Ocean Flight Holdings Ltd
17/05/2008 G-BXCV Ardmore Aviation Services Ltd
Boeing B75N1 C/N 75-6801
1941 07197 United States Navy
05/1962 N9039H Raymond W. Boynton
By 1971 N9039H John T. Looney, Jnr
By 1978 N9039H O. H. Lovell Jnr
23/04/1997 N9039H Robert L. Simon Trustee
22/03/2021 N9039H Paramount Overseas Productions Inc
North American P-51D Mustang C/N 122-40931
23/05/1945 44-74391 United States Army Air Force
1958 351 Fuerza Aerea Guatemalteca
1972 N38229 Don Hull
15/11/1973 NL351MX Don Hull
20/05/1998 NL351MX Wilson C. Edwards
2000 NL351MX Heber Costello
30/10/2000 N351MX Woods Aviation Llc
31/08/2009 N351MX Comanche Fighters Llc
North American P-51B Mustang
1944 43-24837 United States Army Air Force
10/06/1944 Crashed at Beckley, East Sussex during a training flight
12/05/2014 N515ZB Gardner Capital Management Group
22/06/2017 N515ZB Comanche Maverick Air LLC
Piper L-4H Grasshopper (J3C-65D) C/N 12062
1944 44-79766 United States Army
31/05/1947 F-BCPT Private Owner
13/09/1982 G-BKHG Olive Alexandra Fullick
23/09/1982 G-BKHG Kenneth Goeorge Wakefield
06/06/2006 G-BKHG Henry Christopher Cox
29/07/2015 G-BKHG Thomas Woodstock Harris
12/02/2020 G-BKHG Neil Thomas Oakman, wearing 479766
Hurricane FSM
BAPC.267 Imperial War Museum Duxford Dates unknown but was built in 2000 and was at IWM South Lambeth. Currently marked as V7497
Supermarine Spitfire I FSM
2006 BAPC.394 Imperial War Museum Duxford wearing X4474
Hawker Hurricane IIB C/N unknown
1941 Royal Air Force (This aircraft could be BE146 based on information on the upper cowling but this is unconfirmed)
09/1997 Z2315 Imperial War Museum Duxford after being recovered from crash site in Russia
Hawker Hunter F.6 C/N 8920
07/1958 N-250 Royal Netherlands Air Force
09/02/1964 G-9-185 Hawker Siddeley Aviation
N-250 Imperial War Museum Duxford dates unknown
De Havilland DH-9 C/N unknown
17/06/1918 D5649 Royal Air Force
1918 Donated to India, usage in India untraced but rediscovered semi-derelict at Bikaner in the late 1990’s and shipped to the UK
19/04/2007 D5649 Imperial War Museum Duxford
De Havilland DH-82A Tiger Moth II C/N unknown
05/02/2002 N6635 Imperial War Museum Duxford (previously displayed as DE998)
This is a composite using original parts from several aircraft
Supermarine 356 Spitfire F.24 C/N SMAF.21567
04/09/1947 VN485 Royal Air Force
31/05/1952 80? Royal Hong Kong Auxiliary Air Force
18/07/1989 VN485 Imperial War Museum Duxford
General Atomics MQ-1B Predator C/N Unknown
03-33120 United States Air Force dates unknown
13/04/2018 03-33120 Imperial War Museum Duxford
This ‘aircraft’ is listed as both 03-33120 and 03-3120 when looking online however the 2nd reg does clash with a C-17
SPAD S-XIII Replica C/N 0035
1978 D-EOWN Private Owner
16/11/1978 G-BFYO Leisure Sports Ltd
17/06/1996 S4513 Imperial War Museum Duxford
Republic P-47D Thunderbolt
11/1985 42-26413 Imperial War Museum Duxford
Some confusion about this one, many online sources list it as ex 45-49192 c/n 399-55731 which crashed as N47DD in 1980. N47DD was rebuilt and is still flying as G-THUN (and is already on the DB) I believe this aircraft was constructed as a composite using parts from N47DD when it was rebuilt after the crash plus parts from another P-47. I have no doubt that with your vast military aircraft knowledge you can get to the bottom of this one.
North American AT-16 Harvard IIB C/N 14-718
42-12471 United States Army Air Force
FE984 Royal Air Force
FE984 Royal Canadian Air Force
B-168 Royal Netherlands Air Force
1988 Imperial War Museum Duxford
I am struggling with dates on this one I’m afraid. Also it is displayed with no reg and in a basic all silver paint scheme with just the stars and bars on it.
Lockheed SR-71A Blackbird C/N 2013
61-17962 (or is it 61-7962) United States Air Force
05/04/2001 61-17962 Imperial War Museum Duxford
Bristol 156 Beaufighter Mk. XI C/N unknown
02/07/1943 A19-144 Royal Australian Air Force
03/01/1944 Wheels up landing at Drysdale Airfield. Used for spares rather than repaired
1981 wreck recovered by Robert Greinert and Dennis Baxter
Early 1990’s A19-144 Acquired by tThe Fighter Collection and under restoration
Fiat CR.42 Falco C/N 920
1941 Swedish Air Force Fv2524
1983 Recovered from crash site in Sweden and the long restoration process started
20/07/2005 G-CBLS Patina Ltd wearing MM6976
Hawker Nimrod II C/N 41H-59890
1934 K3661 Royal Air Force
1972 Remains found in a scrap yard and donated the the RAF Museum
22/12/1992 G-BURZ Aeo Vintage Ltd
21/01/1993 G-BURZ Historic Aircraft Collection Ltd wearing K3661
Hawker Fury 1 C/N 41H-67550
1935 K5674 Royal Air Force
20/10/1940 215 South African Air Force
02/04/2003 G-CBZP Historic Aircraft Collection Ltd wearing K5674
Hawker Hurricane Mk12A C/N 72036
1942 5711 Royal Canadian Air Force
09/06/1983 G-HURI Bryan James Stephen Grey
10/01/1989 G-HURI Patina Ltd
21/08/2002 G-HURI Historic Aircraft Collection Ltd currently wearing P3700
Yakovlev Yak-52 C/N 9111415
1991 50 grey Soviet Air Force
RA-44464 Private Owner
04/02/2003 G-CBRW Maximo Alberto Gainza
08/05/2009 G-CBRW Max-Alpha Aviation Gmbh
Supermarine Spitfire Vb FSM
AA937 Imperial War Museum Duxford dates unknown
I am guessing this one is quite new as I can only find one or two online references. I assume it will be on or going on the BAPC register but can find no info on this as yet.
Fieseler FI 103 V1
BAPC.92 RAF Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Lockheed-Martin F-35 Lightning II FSM
09/2011 BAPC.341 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
RAE BE2.b Replica
06/1992 BAPC.181 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon marked as 687
Vickers FB.5 Gunbus (Replica) C/N FB5
31/05/1966 G-ATVP Mervin John Palmer
10/06/1968 2345 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Royal Aircraft Factory RE-8 Replica C/N 0002
01/12/2011 ZK-TVC The Vintage Aviator Ltd
28/08/2012 A3930 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Sopwith 5F.1 Dolphin Replica C/N unknown
06/1967 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon marked as C3988 (also BAPC.353)
This aircraft is a composite using original components from C3988 and D5239, full restoration wasn’t completed until 2012
Royal Aircraft Factory FE.2b
04/1976 BAPC.400 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon marked as A6526
This aircraft is part replica but does include some part of an original FE.2b
Bristol F2 Fighter c/n unknown
1965 BAPC.165 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon marked as E2466
This is an original aircraft from around 1918 but the ID is unknown. It was one of six Bristol Fighter fuselage frames purchased by Mr Boddington, a wheelwright, and used as trusses to support the roof of his barn at Weston on the Green before being acquired by the RAF museum and restored
Albatros D-Va Replica C/N 83
28/11/2011 ZK-TVD The Vintage Aviator Ltd
28/08/2012 D.7343/17 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Fokker D.VII c/n unknown
1918 8417/18 German Air Force
1931 OO-??? Private Owner (possibly OO-UPP)
1937 Richard.G.J.Nash Registration unknown
12/1953 Royal Aeronautical Society
03/1966 8417/18 Royal Air Force Museum Store
09/09/1997 8417/18 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon (was displayed at Hendon for a time in the late 1970’s)
Sopwith Snipe Replica C/N unknown
10/08/2012 BAPC.348 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon marked as E6655
Avro 652A Anson 1 C/N 72960
1941 W2068 Royal Air Force
12/05/1941 W2068 Royal Australian Air Force
19/11/1946 VH-ASM Private Owner
06/05/1947 VH-ASM East-West Airlines Pty
05/08/1951 VH-ASM Marshall Airways
03/1972 VH-ASM East-West Airlines
05/1993 The Fighter Collection
19/04/1996 W2068 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Bristol Beaufort VIII C/N unknown
1991 BAPC.436 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon marked as DD931
The above is a composite using parts from A9-557(front fuselage), A9-559 (rear fuselage) and A9-591 (centre section)
Curtiss Kittyhawk IV C/N 29863
24/08/1943 42-106101 United States Army Air Force
31/08/1943 A29-556 Royal Australian Air Force
14/05/1944 Damaged in landing accident, not repaired
29/05/1992 FX760 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Republic P-47D Thunderbolt C/N 399-55834
11/06/1945 45-49295 United States Army Air Force
05/1952 13064 Yugoslavian Air Force
1985 13064 Warbirds of Great Britain
1986 13064 Royal Air Force Museum
20/05/2003 KL216 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Airspeed AS.40 Oxford I C/N unknown
12/03/1943 MP425 Royal Air Force
01/11/1946 G-AITB Air Training Services Ltd
25/08/1960 G-AITB Airwork Services Ltd
03/1969 MP425 Royal Air Force Museum store
19/05/1991 MP425 Newark Air Museum (on loan)
05/10/1994 MP425 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Slingsby T-31B Cadet TX.3 C/N 844
17/12/1952 XA302 Royal Air Force
14/08/1985 BGA3786 Private Owner
05/05/2005 XA302 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Hawker Hunter FGA.9 C/N S4/U/3387
26/10/1956 XG154 Royal air Force
30/05/1985 XG154 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
NORTH AMERICAN P-51D c/n 122-40949
1945 44-74409 United States Army Air Force
1950 9235 Royal Canadian Air Force
12/1958 N6319T James H Defuria
20/10/1960 N6319T Aero Enterprises
14/07/1961 N6319T James H Cunningham
19/08/1962 N6319T Dean J Ortner
15/05/1968 N6319T Joe Bruce Jr
03/06/1968 N6319T Trans Florida Aviation
11/03/1969 N6319T Clint R Hackney
02/11/1971 N6319T Frank D Strickler
30/12/1977 N4409 Frank D Strickler
01/1981 N555BM Gordon W Plaskett
1982 YV-508CP Peter Bottome
09/04/1991 N51RT Robert C Tullius
18/11/2003 413317 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
Boeing CH-47D Chinook C/N M.3034
16/02/1965 64-13115 United States Army (built as a CH-47A)
30/01/1984 83-24104 United States Army (having been converted to a CH-47D)
12/01/2007 83-24104 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon forward Fuselage
General Atomics MQ-1B Predator C/N Unknown
03-33119 United States Air Force dates unknown
13/04/2018 03-33119 Royal Air Force Museum Hendon
This ‘aircraft’ is listed as both 03-33119 and 03-3119 when looking online however the 2nd reg does clash with a C-17
Armstrong Whitworth Rigid Airship R33 C/N unknown
06/03/1919 R33 Royal Air Force
1921 G-FAAG Air Ministry
G-FAAG Royal Air Force Museum Hendon (control Gondola) dates unknown
Thanks in advance as always and good luck with making progress with your own sightings.
Steve
Hi Mike,
Well at least you had a few 'real' ones in the last list (I think I've even seen a couple of them!).
The SR-71 is 61-7962 and in the DB. The Fokker D.VIII is in as 8417-18 as the system doesn't like '/';
Some confusion over a few of the a/c,
The original Hunter F.6 nose was sent to the Museum after the a/c was rebuilt to T.66D for India so two entries for N-250.
No info on the P-47D 42-26413. I show it as being destroyed 30.12.1944 at Boxted, Essex, where it crashed due engine failure.
Two entries for CH-47D as the original fwd fus is in the Museum while the rest was rebuilt as an active CH-47F;
Hope this all makes sense, and apologies for my silly error with the Piston Provost turning it into a jet !
Am working my way through F-5's, T-37's & T-38's at Williams AFB having just finished F-104's, F-15's & F-4's at Luke AFB & a bunch of UH-19's & UH-25's stored at Mesa. Then it's onto D-M for A-7's, A-10s & O-2's before doing the scrapyards and then my first MASDC tour. Going to keep me busy for a while!
Kindest regards, Brian
Hello Brian,
before you are going to rest, another list from me, as always no need to hurry...
ZD667 Harrier GR.3, RAF, c/n 712228, stored Bentwaters
80-0058 F-15D, USAF, c/n 702/D030, active
83-0036 F-15C, USAF, c/n 892/C296, active
83-0041 F-15C, USAF, c/n 903/C301, active
84-0046 F-15D, USAF, c/n 942/D054, active
85-0096 F-15C, USAF, c/n 948/C338, active
85-0102 F-15C, USAF, c/n 955/C344, active
85-0111 F-15C, USAF, c/n 966/C353, active
86-0148 F-15C, USAF, c/n 995/C376, active
86-0155 F-15C, USAF, c/n 1002/C383, active
86-0161 F-15C, USAF, c/n 1008/C389, active
92-1531 C-130H, USAF, c/n 382-5310, active
44+96 Tornado IDS, German AF, c/n 494/GS149/4196 , preserved Gate-guard Jagel AB
45+70 Tornado IDS, German AF, c/n 675/GT057/4270, active
45+77 Tornado IDS, German AF, c/n 690/GT059/4277, active
46+40 Tornado ECR, German AF, c/n 860/GS273/4340, active
01507 F-4E, Greece AF, c/n 4465, active, FMS 72-1507
71758 F-4E, Greece AF, c/n 5037, active, FMS 77-1758
MM7014 Tornado IDS, Italian AF, c/n 170/IS013/5019, active
MM7030 Tornado ECR, Italian AF, c/n 292/ECR../5039, active
MM7055 Tornado IDS, Italian AF, c/n 442/ECR../5064, active
MM7059 Tornado IDS, Italian AF, c/n 467/ECR../5068, active
MM7062 Tornado IDS, Italian AF, c/n 492/ECR02/5072, active
MM7082 Tornado IDS, Italian AF, c/n 615/IS081/5093, active
MM7343 F-2000A, Italian AF, c/n ?/IS069, active
Enjoy your holidays and stay safe. Greets Alfred
Hi Brian,
Thanks for adding my last list so quickly and for trying to pick the bones out of the confusion on one or two entries.
I have a small amount of additional info on the P-47 in the American Air Museum, it is clearly not the original 42-25413 just painted to represent it. It seems to be a composite using parts of from N47DD left over after the rebuild. My Wreaks and Relics 10th edition lists it as 'a basket case of parts for rebuild including substantial sections of N47DD' whereas the latest edition lists it as 226413 and as being ex N47DD (no mention of the fact that G-THUN is also ex N47DD but still flying)
Also on the last list BAPC.394, you have listed as BNAPC.394. Clearly a slip of the keyboard whilt trying to blast through my post so quickly.
Thanks for all the hard work as good look with your own logs in December.
Steve
Hi Brian,
Your six week break noted - will aim to add any items for action before the month end.
On that subject it seems I missed two CAA registrations in the 27 Sep-10 Oct batch...
REGISTRATIONS
(i) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/ZJ242/815146
G-BXDK FB Heliservices Ltd. 26-Apr-2018 to 08-Mar-2019
Transferred to another country or authority: MINISTRY OF DEFENCE
[ZJ242?]
G-BXDK Draken Europe Registered 06-Oct-2021
(ii) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/ZJ240/815142
G-BXIR FB Heliservices Ltd. 26-Apr-2018 to 18-Dec-2018
Transferred to another country or authority: MINISTRY OF DEFENCE
[ZJ240?]
G-BXIR Draken Europe 06-Oct-2021 to 11-Nov-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: CANADA
I also have some further Scramble reports of interest:
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/messerschmitt-almost-ready-to-fly
Could you please add Messerschmitt Bf109G-6 (WkNr.410077)
[Reg?] Stab IV/JG54 to Feb-1944
Comments: Forced landing on frozen Lake Swiblo. Recovered 1990.
N42109 [Owner: Bruce Winters]
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/first-flight-of-a-p-40-for-italy
Could you please add Curtiss P-40E (16786)
41-13570 USAAF
White 51 Soviet Air Force
Comments: Shot down. Ditched in Lake Kod Ozero, near Murmansk 1 Jun 1942. Recovered 31 Aug 1997.
Frontline Aviation Museum, Sandown U.K. 1998 to 1999
Comments: to Pioneer Aero Ltd, Auckland-Ardmore N.Z for restoration in 2015
2018 [Owner: Claudio Coltri]
ZK-MOM May 2021
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/aussie-hurricane-arrives-at-sywell
Could you please add HAWKER HURRICANE MK XII (c/n CCF/60372)
(Serial No. 5481) RCAF 1942 to Nov-1944
G-ORGI Charles Church Displays Ltd. 20-Nov-1989 to 31-Jan-1992
Transferred to another country or authority: U.S.A.
N678DP [Owner: David Price]
Museum of Flying (MoF) to 2002
C-FDNL [Owner: Ed Russell] 2002 to 2014
VH-JFW 2014 to 2021
G-ORGI Warbird Experiences Ltd. Registered 27-Oct-2021
See photo 09-Nov-2021: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/registration/G-ORGI
Thanks very much in advance.
Swakeleys
Hi Alfred,
Your latest list has now been updated. I'm sure you'll have some more for me before I take a break next month!
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Steve,
I've put the P-47D in as "42-26413" with a note regarding its' dubious ID;
Kind regards, Brian
HI Swakeleys,
Last batch added for you.
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian,
Thanks for the last list - very quick!
I have another request sourced from an abpic upload:
https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1190056
Could you please add HAWKER FURY FB10 (Serial No. 37534)
Year built: 1948
VH-HFX
G-BTTA Raynham George Hanna 25-Jul-1991 to 11-May-1993
G-BTTA Classic Aviation Ltd. 11-May-1993 to 10-Aug-2000
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: SOUTH AFRICA
ZU-SEA
See photos in 2003 and 2008: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/registration/ZU-SEA
N103FD
For history see: http://www.warbirdregistry.org/furyregistry/fury-gbtta.html
Kind regards,
Swakeleys
Hi Swakeleys,
Fury now added for you. Vaguely remember seeing it at SBAC Farnborough Intl in 1994.
Have a great weekend.
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian,
Back to pester you again, twice in the one week after so long! Hope you are well. This is not strictly military but the aircraft involved were originally military so they may appear somewhere in your encyclopaedic (sic) records.
N91935 Douglas C1A Skyraider AD-4N c/n 7462 Univair Ferry
N91945 Douglas C1A Skyraider AD-4NA c/n 7682 Univair Ferry
Both passed through Dublin on their way to or from a film set in March 1977.
Could they be added to the DB with any update you may be able to discover.
Enjoy your well earned break and have a happy & safe xmas.
Regards,
Greg
Hi Greg,
Just like buses..wait for ages & then two come along after each other!
Both Skyraiders in the DB with as much info as I have.
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian
Passed by ESS on the way from work this afternoon and saw no Dak but a JU-52. Found a lot of bloody press articles without any useful info and https://www.ju52.org/19.htm which says it would be:
REGISTRATION DETAILS FOR 1Z+IK (NATIONAAL MILITAIR MUSEUM) AAC1 TOUCAN
Are you able to confirm and update. I couldn't see any reg or code although 95 % of the possible parts to carry one were visible for me. Anyway this is a chance for me to wish You a Merry X-mas and a happy New Year since I can't see any chance for me to spot any military stuff until then.
Thanks in advance. Stay healthy!
Erdni
Hi Erdni,
Many thanks for the update on the Ju-52. I understand it's been under restoration since 2014 so the reg has probably gone (for now) until she is properly displayed, although I thought they may have painted it on before she left the restoration hangar!
You & Gerhard have a fantastic Christmas & hopefully get to see you both in 2022 !
Kindest regards, Brian
64-13301 Northrop T-38-A
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Hi Bruce,
T-38A now added for you. Coincidentally I'm just adding a bunch of Talons I saw at Williams AFB, AZ, in Oct '77 !
Happy Thanksgiving for tomorrow!
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian,
Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-KASX/855891
May be worth updating Comments. See Scramble report:
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/seafire-returns-to-the-air
Kind regards,
Swakeleys
Hi Brian,
A couple of CAA updates in the 26 Oct-07 Nov batch.
DE-REGISTRATIONS
(a) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-AVAV/918239
G-AVAV WARBIRD EXPERIENCES LTD 01-Feb-2016 to 25-Oct-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: NETHERLANDS
(b) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-CKSU/1023934
G-CKSU ROBERT NEIL LAMB 04-Jun-2020 to 01-Nov-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: U.S.A.
Also some CAA updates in the 08-21 Nov batch to bring us up-to-date.
REGISTRATIONS
(i) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-RNHF%20(VX281)/893682
G-RNHF NAVAL AVIATION LTD 23-Feb-2010 to 11-Nov-2021
G-BCOW The Fighter Collection Ltd. Registered 11-Nov-2021
(ii) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/ZJ246/815154
G-BXMJ Draken Europe 09-Nov-2021 to 11-Nov-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: CANADA
(iii) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/ZJ248/815158
G-BXNE Draken Europe 09-Nov-2021 to 11-Nov-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: CANADA
(iv) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/ZJ252/815166
G-BXOK Draken Europe 09-Nov-2021 to 11-Nov-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: CANADA
(v) Please add new listing for SPITFIRE 1A (Serial No.6S-30548)
Year built: 1940
Previous ID: P9337
G-CMDX Jonathan Charles Radford Registered 15-Nov-2021
(vi) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/XZ678/951309
G-NCKY Graham Paul Hinkley Registered 10-Nov-2021
DE-REGISTRATION
(a) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-CBUB/1032712
G-CBUB Draken Europe 09-Sep-2021 to 18-Nov-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: CANADA
CORRECTION
One minor correction from 30/9 post reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-YKSS/1029635
Previous ID should read RA-44525 not RA-45525
Thanks very much in advance.
Swakeleys
Hi again Brian
Found a forgotten CSI-file and solved it with your euro demobbed webside
SVQ 12/09/21:
A.10C-112 Hispano Super Saeta HA.220 214-112, ex EdA Preserved, pole mounted
Really no need to add it this year. I just didn't want to forget about it a second time. Remind me with your restart in a very happy and healthy 2022!
All the best
Erdni
Hi Swakeleys,
Both requests from 25th November now added/updated/corrected.
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian,
A handful more to add when you can please, either before your self imposed exile begins or when you return.
Sud Aviation 342K Gazelle c/n 1515
By 1979 F-WXFI Aerospatiale
F-WTNH Dates and owner unknown
3515 French Army dates unknown
Sikorsky UH-60A Blackhawk c/n: 70-269
81-23548 United States Army dates unknown but by 09/1982
Aermacchi MB-339A C/N 6602/009/AA005
I-TOCA Aermacchi dates unknown
MM54443 Italian Air Force dates unknown
MM54443 Preserved in Gallarate, Italy dates unknown
Agusta-Bell AB.212ASW c/n 5170
MM81098 Italian Navy, dates unknown
Aérospatiale SA-330B Puma C/N 1507
1507 French Army dates unknown
Aérospatiale SA-342M Gazelle C/N 1511
3511 French Army dates unknown
Westland Whirlwind HAS.7 C/N WA209
30/04/1958 XL847 Royal Navy
Bell UH-1H c/n unknown
0-60828 United States Army dates unknown
Can’t find a C/n on this one but there are pictures online of it online at Middle Wallop a the 1982 air show and it is listed on Scramble as a participant (but they list it as an AH-1)
Boeing B-52G Stratofortress C/N 464235
1958 58-0167 United States Air Force
UH-1H Iroquois c/n 11007
68-16348 United States Army dates unknown
Bell AH-1G Cobra C/N 21087
71-21016 United States Army dates unknown
Santos-Dumont XX Demoiselle Replica
01/1999 BAPC.256 Brooklands Museum
Sopwith Tabloid Floatplane Replica
27/11/2013 BAPC.354 Brooklands Museum marked as 3
Royal Aircraft Factory SE-5A Replica
1996 BAPC.250 Brooklands Museum marked as F5475
Hawker Fury Replica
1996 BAPC.249 Brooklands Museum marked as K5673
Vickers Wellington Forward Fuselage Replica
2000 BAPC.421 Brooklands Museum
English Electric Canberra PR.7 C/N R3/EA3/6660
01/12/1954 WK146 Royal Air Force
2001 WK146 Gatwick Aviation Museum
Supermarine Spitfire FSM
2010 BAPC.421 St George’s Chapel of Remembrance, Biggin Hill marked as K9998
Hawker Hurricane FSM
2010 BAPC.477 St George’s Chapel of Remembrance, Biggin Hill marked as P2921
As always thanks in advance and have a good Christmas and new year.
Steve
Hi Erdni,
Saeta now added for you.
See you in the New Year!
Kindest regards, Brian
Thanks a lot Brian
Unfortunately I stumbled on another forgotten item this morning. An active one but sadly a frog.
LDE 07/09/2021:
EBL NH90 French Army aka NH Industries NH90 F-MEBL Armée de Terre
What can I say that wasn't said already. If they close everything again it will be no problem to save enough money for meeting twice a month next year.
Well, if they close everything but the borders.
Hope for the best
Erdni
Hi Steve,
Latest list has now been added.
The UH-1H is in as 66-00828 to standardise all US Army rotary wings with fiscal+5 digits, The Spitfire FSM 'K9998' is BAPC.431 (prob just a typo).
Have a fabulous Christmas & Happy New Year (although if the server continues to run as slow as it has this weekend I fear I'll still be in exile next Xmas adding my MASDC 1977 list - just over 4,400 to add!)
Kindest regards, Brian
Well, that's it from me for this year as I'm taking a few weeks out to focus on my own logging and get back to some kind of social life (although with the terrible server times at the moment it may be a couple of months!). The next updates from me will be actioned mid-January.
I'd like to wish you all a very happy Christmas and a safe and happy New Year.
Kindest regards, Brian
It appears that some people have had too much wine over the holidays and have started to re-post on thread 16 - which was closed on 2nd December 2021 - and I've just noticed while looking for a previous update.
Please post your requests on the LATEST thread (that's why they're numbered). I'll get around to them when I'm back in a couple of weeks time.
Brian
Hi Brian,
Hope you had a great Xmas and got all your updates done. Just updating a spreadsheet here and spotted that EC-ZDF Casa Aviojet at SBAC Farnborough in 78 is on the DB as EC-ZDF but when you click on it for further details it comes up as EC-ZDZ. I think you were at the same show as me and here is a link http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=194137 showing a photo of said aircraft with the id clearly on show. Can you check to see if there has been a mix up or did it get re-regd to EC-ZDZ subsequently.
Many thanks and heres to a Happy & Healthy New Year for us all.
Cheers Brian,
Greg
Hi Brian,
Happy New Year!
Just a short list today:
17-01610 / DHC8-311 / c/n: 245 / US Army Golden Knights
93-1037 / C-130H / c/n: 5369 / US Air Force
Thank you much!
John - NY, USA
Hi Greg,
Happy New Year to you!
Unfortunately my Xmas/New Year break was frustrated by the extremely sloooow server response times meaning I could only load 450 of the 4,000 serials I was intending. I've finished my A-3 Skywarrior sightings at MASDC in 10.1977 and am now half-way through my A-4 Skyhawk list - so still years behind!
I've sent several messages on this to Gavin (the webmaster) but no response, and I notice people are not upgrading to Premium membership due to slow times (bit of a Catch 22 here as the extra income would pay for a larger/faster server). I have suggested he limit the size of photos being uploaded so they don't constantly chew up disk space and memory but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears so I either have to live with it or find somewhere else to log my stuff.
As for the Aviojet at FAB, it appears Dennis changed the record (for some reason) to show it as EC-ZDZ after you & I had logged it as EC-ZDF. The system stores it as how we log it - even if the record is subsequently changed - so you could search in 'my sightings' for EC-ZDF, but when viewing the record it would show up as EC-ZDZ! I've now amended it to be what it should be (it was EC-ZDZ with Casa initially but then became XE.25-01 with the SpAF and wore dual mks of EC-ZDF at FAB, as we saw it.
Hope this helps.
Take care & happy spotting!
Kind regards, Brian
Hi John,
Happy New Year to you too.
Your C-130H and both GK C-147A's have been added. I understand the first one (01609) is FY'16 with c/n 315 (ex N171AV) and the 2nd (01610) is FY'17 with c/n 345 and ex N489SN;
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian, will you pick up our drunk request from topic 16 our do you want us to copy paste our mistake here?
What will be the easiest way for you?
Thanks Paul
Thanks a lot Brian
Happy New Year Brian
Seems you have not seen this request from 28.November. So I just copy it in bere:
Unfortunately I stumbled on another forgotten item this morning. An active one but sadly a frog.
LDE 07/09/2021:
EBL NH90 French Army aka NH Industries NH90 F-MEBL Armée de Terre
What can I say that wasn't said already. If they close everything again it will be no problem to save enough money for meeting twice a month next year.
Well, if they close everything but the borders.
Hope for the best
Erdni
And here is what I found during your break :
REGISTRATION DETAILS FOR D-HEGH (BUNDESGRENZSCHUTZ (GERMAN BORDER PATROL)) AS.332L2 SUPER PUMA
Wrong operator at the time
QMZ 03/2008
Bundespolizei (German Federal Police)
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SZB 09/01/1995
M??-04 Malaysia Air Force
Is any other twin engined propeller aircraft possible than Cessna 402 M27-04?
If not, please add
................................................................................................
REGISTRATION DETAILS FOR XC-PFE (PF-302) (MEXICAN FEDERAL POLICE-POLICIA FEDERAL PREVENTIVA) MI-8MTV-1 HIP
My sighting 11/2007 was XC-PFE but with PF-304 !!!!!!!!NOT 302!!!!!!!!!
probably a typo somewhere because it became PF-202 as in DB
My version is equal like the one here
https://www.helis.com/database/cn/14048/
........................................................................................................
XX109 City of Norwich Aviation Museum 01.9.2004 Preserved
XX109 City of Norwich Aviation Museum 01.9.2004 Preserved
Double entry one unlogged
.............................................................................................
REGISTRATION DETAILS FOR PNP-025 (PERUVIAN NATIONAL POLICE-POLICIA NACIONAL DEL PERU) VC-131D-
My sighting of this
OPF 08/04/1990 still as
542815 in USAF cs
and
https://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Airframe/Gallery/0/100/0000100288.jpg
is a pic from 12/10/1990 at OPF
by using a magnifying glass the reg worn is N7146X
Any idea how all this fits together?
...............................................................................................
I am sorry to say that I solved my CSI file from 1990 about a RAF VC-10 after 32 years without your help. Nothing to add either. I think you would have liked to lend a hand.
Pretty poor list compared to the 5 billion requests I handed to Dennis.
Don't be jealous. Volunteer for french gliders.
Thanks in advance
Erdni
Hi Paul,
Happy New Year,
Your Dubai show list from the previous thread has now been added.
Kind regards, Brian
HI Erdni,
Happy New Year to you & "Wingman" !
Sorry I missed your November request before my break. F-MEBL is 1428.
I think your RMAF prop is probably B.200T M41-04 but I've also put the Ce.402B M27-04 in the DB just in case. I've also tidied up the C-131. You were quite correct to see it as 54-2815 as it was still wearing USAF mks (even with the DoSAW) when I saw it at AMARC 05.12.1994.
Take care & hope to see you both later in the year! (I'm long overdue a trip to Ramstein & Spangdahlem).
Kind regards, Brian
Hi New Data Editor,
Brian had added some of the items that were originally on this list before he sadly decided to step away. I have removed those items already added so what remains is still to go on the DB.
Northrop Shelduck C/N unknown
1961 XR346 Royal Air Force
XR346 Bournemouth Aviation Museum dates unknown
Westland Lynx HMA.8DSP C/N 200
02/10/1980 XZ728 Royal Navy
18/02/1997 Written off after falling over the side of HMS Monmouth in rough sea while preparing for take-off
XZ728 Displayed as RNAS Yeovilton dates unknown
Hawker Sea Hawk FGA.6 C/N 6126
31/01/1955 WV911 Royal Navy
23/10/1957 Written off after starboard main oleo leg split on landing at RNAS Ford
Passed around various sites over the years including Lee-on-Solent and Fleetlands both as an instructional airframe and for display. Eventually moved to RNAS Yeovilton 10/07/200 initially used as an external display at the FAA Museum before being declared surplus to requirements and relegated to the dump by July 2018
Westland Sea King Mk47 C/N WA823
01/12/1975 G-BDMH Westland Helicopters Ltd
11/03/1976 773 Egyptian Navy
By 2006 773 RNAY Gosport as instructional Airframe before being sent to RNAS Yeovilton and placed on the dump
Westland WG-25 / WR-05 Mote
1975 Westland Helicopters
BAPC.444 The Helicopter Museum
Westland WG-25 / WR-07 Wideye
1979 Westland Helicopters
BAPC.445 The Helicopter Museum dates unknown
Westland WG-25 / WR-06 Wisp
1976 Westland Helicopters
BAPC.446 The Helicopter Museum dates unknown
Westland WG-25 Sharpeye
1981 ZS782 Westland Helicopters
ZS782 The Helicopter Museum dates unknown
Yamaha Motors Remotely Piloted Helicopter
BAPC.447 The Helicopter Museum dates unknown
Murray M.1 Helicopter c/n unknown
10/1995 BAPC.60 The Helicopter Museum
Watkinson CG.4 Cyclogyrooplane
1978 BAPC.128 The Helicopter Museum
Cranfield Vertigo
04/1989 BAPC.213 The Helicopter Museum
Bensen B.8M Gyrocopter
1995 BAPC.264 The Helicopter Museum
Bensen B.8 Gyroboat
BAPC.289 Brooklands Museum Dates unknown but late 1990’s
11/10/2003 BAPC.289 The Helicopter Museum
Husband Hornet 500 Gyroplane
13/11/2004 BAPC.339 The Helicopter Museum
Westland Dragonfly HR.5 C/N WA/H/50
1952 WG719 Royal Air Force
04/1974 WG719 FAA Museum (Loan)
15/06/1978 G-BRMA Elfan Dyfed ap Rees (Displayed at The Helicopter Museum since 1989
Fairey Rotodyne Y C/N F.9429
06/11/1957 XE521 Fairey Aviation Co. Ltd.
1962 Scrapped but substantial parts sent to Cranfield Collage
1981 XE521 The Helicopter Museum
Westland Sioux AH.1 C/N WA349
1965 XT190 Army Air Corp
04/1966 XT190 United Nation Forces in Cyprus
By 1985 XT190 Museum of Army Flying, Middle Wallop
08/06/1995 XT190 The Helicopter Museum
Westland Lynx C/N 09-02
1974 XW839 Westland Helicopters
XW839 Royal Navy dates unknown
11/01/1996 XW839 The Helicopter Museum
Westland SA-341B Gazelle AH1 C/N 1995
1983 ZB686 Army Air Corp
2010 ZB686 The Helicopter Museum (Cockpit)
Piasecki HUP-3 Retriever C/N 51
14/05/1954 51-16622 United States Army
147609 United States Navy dates unknown
03/12/1963 116622 Royal Canadian Navy
1967 N6699D Piasecki Helicopters
28/11/1990 116622 The Helicopter Museum in Canadian markings
Mil Mi-4 Hound C/N 09147
09147 Czech Air Force dates unknown
01/1994 09147 The Helicopter Museum
Piasecki H-21C Shawnee c/n unknown
1956 56-2025 United States Army
By 04/1957 FR41/F-MAAY French Army
FR41/F-XCAF French Marines dates unknown
FR41/F-MBEE and F-MARB French Army dates unknown
1981 FR41 Centre d’Etudes et de Loisirs Aerospatiaux, Grenoble
27/01/2016 FR41 The Helicopter Museum
Sud Aviation S01221S Djinn c/n unknown
12/06/1959 1058/F-MCDL French Army
1991 FR108 The Helicopter Museum
MBB Bo.105M C/N 5100
1984 81+00 West German Army
D-HZYR dates and owner unknown
03/05/2007 81+00 The Helicopter Museum
Mil Mi-24D Hind C/N 230270110073
1981 421 East German Army
96+26 German Air Force dates unknown
20/02/1995 96+26 The Helicopter Museum
Agusta AB-206C-1 Jet Ranger II C/N 9151
06/09/1974 MM80927 Carabinieri
30/04/2012 MM80927 The Helicopter Museum
Agusta A-109A-2 C/N 7336
1986 MM81205 Guardia di Finanza
06/10/2010 MM81205 The Helicopter Museum
PZL-Swidnik SM-2 C/N S2-01005
1961 1005 Polish Air Force
10/06/1991 1005 The Helicopter Museum
PZL-Swidnik SM-2 C/N S2-03006 (Polish built Mil Mi-1)
1959 2007 Polish Air Force
02/09/1993 2007 The Helicopter Museum
Mil Mi-8PS C/N 10618
06/1972 618 Polish Air Force
05/02/2010 618 The Helicopter Museum
Gyrodyne QH-50D C/N 1482
DS-1482 United States Navy dates unknown
1974 DS-1482 United States Army
02/10/2014 DS-1482 The Helicopter Museum
Bell UH-1H Iroquois C/N 8773
1967 66-16579 United States Army
29/08/1992 66-16579 The Helicopter Museum
Hughes OH-6A Cayuse C/N 089
67-16506 United States Army dates unknown
08/1999 77-16506 The Helicopter Museum
Westland WG-30 c/n 022
Listed online as not completed however it is stored in what is described as the reserve collection at The Helicopter Museum (Basically a big pile of helicopters in a field next to the museum) It appears to be mostly complete (no engine, rotor etc and I assume no interior, just an empty shell) but looks like could be made into and exhibit if required. It is certainly as complete as any of the others on the dump, sorry in the reserve collection.
Westland Whirlwind HAS.7 C/N WA91
14/05/1957 XG596 Royal Navy
XA596 The Helicopter Museum dates unknown
Westland Wessex HAS.3 C/N WA108
18/10/1963 XS149 Royal Navy
1987 XS149 The Helicopter Museum
Blackburn Buccaneer S2B c/n B3-11-71
30/03/1973 XW550 Royal Air Force
05/11/2016 The Buccaneer Aviation Group
As always thanks in advance.
Steve
Hi Brian thanks for my Dubai update. Here is the second wave in that case.
Missing Saudi Hawks
Missing Russian Knights
Missing Sarang Team (Indian AF)
Thanks a lot !! Paul
Thanks a lot Brian
PEK 17/03/2005:
REGISTRATION DETAILS FOR RA-86555 (RUSSIAN AIR FORCE) IL-62-M
Is in DB but missing:
Construction Nr 4547315
.....................................................................................................
CIA 21/07/1987:
Please contact your retired specialists from CSI Rome
For reasons I can‘t recall I identified Code 61 82 as
REGISTRATION DETAILS FOR MM54543 (ITALIAN AIR FORCE-AERONAUTICA MILITARE) MB.339NAT
Can it be that I was right?
If not, who was coded as such in 07/1987?
As I said, not much to find for you anymore. If it really gets possible for you to come over here, try to inform me 3 weeks before and I almost definitly can take time off from work. Nothing planned but going to MUC mid February and a wedding party 25/06. Maybe I can arrange an invitation for You if you bring one of your Rolls Royces as a gift;
Thanks in advance
Erdni
Hi Paul,
Part 2 of your Dubai show list has now been added.
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Erdni,
IL-62 c/n updated but no luck on the MB.339. My records don't show it squadron coded before it was with the Frecce Tricolori, and then it became 51-76 after they'd finished with it. I have searched my records and quickly online, but can't find anything coded 61-82.
Really sorry!
Kind regards, Brian
Hi Brian, and Happy New Year,
A few to add please:
Gloster Meteor T7
00/00/51 WF784 RAF
30/05/96 Jet Age Museum
preserved
............................................
Armstrong Whitworth Meteor NF14
00/00/00 WS807 RAF
00/06/67 Gate Guardian RAF Watton
00/00/96 Jet Age Museum
preserved
.............................................
Gloster Meteor T7
25/05/49 VW453 RAF 203AFS
24/03/68 Struck off charge. To chemical defence establishment, Porton Down
00/00/94 Gate Guardian RAF Innsworth
00/00/12 Jet Age Museum
Preserved
https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/125235-gloster-meteor-vw453-history-required
..............................................
Gloster Javelin FAW7
27/02/59 XH903 RAF
05/01/61 converted to FAW9
02/12/66 struck off charge. To gate guardian RAF Innsworth
19/05/93 Jet Age Museum
preserved
............................................
Gloster Gamecock reproduction
00/08/98 J7904 Jet Age Museum
...........................................
Gloster Gladiator
00/00/00 N5914 RAF
02/06/40 shot down Liile Haugefjellet
00/00/98 Jet Age Museum
preserved
There is more information on all the above on the web site of The Jet Age Museum
......................................
Lockheed F-104G Starfighter, s/n 683-8098
before 06/72 D8098 RNAF
...................................
Vought F-8P Crusader, s/n 1227
00/00/00 151741 US Navy
00/00/00 010 French Navy
by 12/99 Musee de l'air et de l'espace
preserved
.........................................
Sikorsky S-58, s/n 581095
00/00/00 N938
00/00/00 PE+152
00/00/00 QA+466
00/00/00 PZ+461
before 03/74 80+30 German Army
00/00/00 N18825
scrapped
.....................................
Handley Page Hastings C2, s/n HP67/128
22/02/52 WJ327 RAF
00/00/00 Royal Aircraft Establishment
00/00/75 perished
...................................
Avro Shackleton Mk 3,
06/11/56 first flight RAF
10/04/61 RAE
31/01/73 scrapped. Used for fire fighting & rescue training Farnborough
.......................................
Whirlwind HAR.10, s/n WA.407
07/01/63 XR457 RAF
07/05/81 reg cancelled
00/00/85 destroyed Otterburn Ranges
.............................................
Harrier GR1, s/n 712017
13/08/69 XV754 RAF
19/01/76 w/o collided with XV745 near Nantwich
..........................................
Harrier GR1, s/n 712038
07/05/70 XV788 RAF
01/12/75 crashed Belize. on Wittering dump 1984
..........................................
Harrier GR1, s/n 712057
20/10/71 XV807 RAF
14/07/81 crashed Belize
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Jaguar T.2, s/n B.1
01/06/73 XX136 RAF
22/11/74 crashed Wimborne St Giles, Dorset
...........................................
Lockheed SR71A Blackbird, s/n 2023
00/00/64? 64-17972 USAF
03/06/90 Air & Space Museum
preserved
........................................
Many thanks, Dan
Hi Steve,
Happy New Year to you.
The system is running so sloooow that it's going to take me ages to get through your complete list. Because of the slow server response times I keep getting timed out whenever trying to add or amend records to large 'airlines' such as USAF and RAF and, to be honest, I'm getting fed up of sitting here staring at whirling icons before getting a time out message and I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to tolerate it before throwing in the towel.
I've emailed the webmaster several times but have had not one response! I've suggested he limit the size of photo's being uploaded so they don't constantly chew up processing time and disk space but it's obviously fallen on deaf ears. I thought it was a PlaneLOGGERS sight when I joined up not a PlanePHOTO site so really don't understand what's going on, and other members have refused to become Premium subscribers because of such slow response times which is really a Catch 22 as the extra income would pay for a faster/larger server!
I've gotten down as far as Provost G-BZRE/WW450 in your list and will try to load some more during the week when I have time. As you said, the Provost is confusing as I understand the oiks at St. Athan swapped the wings over when they were both there, so WW421 was scrapped in 1975 wearing WW450 wings and WW450 (wearing WW421 wings) became G-BZRE. Even the CAA website says this was ex WW421 - which is incorrect!
Kindest regards, Brian
Brian,
Totally understand your frustration and that of others who have posted regarding the speed (or lack of it) While we all like to see pictures of planes there are websites for that and most if not all of us are using this site predominate to log the numbers. As one post I saw earlier suggested, a lot of the pictures aren't that great anyway so doing away with them would be no great loss. No rush on the latest list, just when your time and patience allows you to work through it.
Steve.
Hello Brian,
Your last message worried me a lot. I hope that the webmaster won't leave the ship before giving us a proper solution/explanation. I don't have any back up plan and I really hope that we would be able to extract excel sheets to save our works.
Regarding the picture, I like it (you probably understood that) and I became Premium for that. It's easier to load my pic linked to my log. Plus everybody can enjoy it and having an aircraft profil with a proper picture is nice and professional. The issue is people loading tons and tons of pics of the same plane. The worst is when they load several pics they did the same day... Man we are wasting so much space !!!! Load 1 pic and if the plane change color, then load a new one !!!! The server is flooded with useless images...
But Brian, the fact that nobody is answering your message is making me really worried. I keep my premium account to support the server and the team but we really need an answer fro, the webmaster to reassure us on his intentions...
Anyway, thanks for my Dubai list, I'm gonna overload the server right now !!!!!
Paul
Hi Brian,
A belated Happy New Year! Fully appreciate your frustration with the speed of the system.
Subject to how fast - OR NOT - the site is running, I wonder if you could action the following CAA updates?
22 Nov-5 Dec Batch
REGISTRATIONS
(i) Please add new listing for HAWKER HUNTER T.MK.68 (Serial No. 41HR003206)
Year built: 1976 per CAA [?]
Previous ID: HB-RVP
G-EHLW Stichting Hawker Hunter Foundation Registered 01-Dec-2021
Comments: Display of registration mark exemption 06-Jan-2022. Using R.N.A.F. serial N-322.
Note that there is the following aircraft with the same Swiss registration but different S/N already on the database:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/HB-RVP%20(J-4205)/975589
Perhaps you could investigate and clarify?
(ii) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/XP884/957018
G-WDST Alexandre Burgess Godfrey Registered 24-Nov-2021
Comments: Date of "No Flight" declaration 24-Nov-2021.
DE-REGISTRATIONS
(a) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-BWVZ%20(WK590)/1032509
G-BWVZ DIDIER CAMPION 16-Jul-1996 to 02-Dec-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: BELGIUM
6-19 Dec Batch
REGISTRATIONS
(i) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-AJVH/892327
G-AJVH Fly Navy Heritage Trust Ltd Registered 08-Dec-2021
(ii) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-BSBG%20(52-8562)/1009105
G-BSBG ANTHONY PAUL ST JOHN 10-Feb-1995 to 13-May-2021
G-BSBG Fly Navy Heritage Trust Ltd 13-May-2021 to 06-Dec-2021
Transferred to UK Registration Mark G-NWHF
G-NWHF Fly Navy Heritage Trust Ltd Registered 06-Dec-2021
DE-REGISTRATIONS
(a) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-CBVP/1005287
G-CBVP FB LEASING LTD 02-Nov-2018 to 07-Dec-2021
De-registered as transferred to another country or authority: GERMANY
3-16 Jan 2022 Batch
REGISTRATIONS
(i) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/XX455/858358
G-GRAK Excel Charter Ltd Registered 05-Jan-2022
(ii) Please add new listing for DHC-1 CHIPMUNK T10 (Serial No. C1/0761)
Year built: 1952
Previous ID: N198DD
G-IGES Gerald Rodney Charlton Registered 14-Jan-2022
DE-REGISTRATIONS
(a) Reference:
https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/G-VIVM/978195
G-VIVM VICTOR MIKE GROUP 25-Nov-2009 to 05-Jan-2022
Comments: Cancelled by CAA.
This would bring us right up-to-date.
Thanks in advance.
Swakeleys
* **NO MORE UPDATES***
Sorry all but there will be no more updates until the response times drastically improve.
It's taken me over an hour to add two new US Navy aircraft records this evening which is ludicrous - and I have better things to do in my life than sit in front of a laptop screen watching whirling icons and getting timed out - while some people load 4 (yes 4!) photos of the same aircraft at the same location on the same date - chewing up valuable disk space - and it's only going to get worse as the lighter days and warmer weather approaches and people can eventually get out and about.
I have had absolutely no response from the webmaster to my various complaints about the slow system in the past 12 months - so clearly he's not interested in fixing it.
I joined this site to keep my logs in a single place (and in the hope to get rid of some paper from years back) but instead of being a planeLOGGER site it seems to have turned into a competition as to who can upload the most photographs and has now become a planePHOTOGRAPHERS site - something that I didn't sign up to (I load my photos on my Flickr pages).
Please feel free to send emails of complaint to the webmaster ([email protected]) in the hope that, if he's bombarded with complaints, he may decide to do something about it.
I have no idea on the current server capacity but as there is no size limit on uploading photos (something I suggested years ago) each 3Mb-5Mb photo is killing the disk space. At least when I add my occasional one I re-size them so they're only about 256Kb). I also have no idea what back-up process is in place (if at all) so if the server eventually crashes will we lose everything? And I know some of you have already asked if there's a master list of our logs that we can get from the system (just in case) and I have no idea!
Hopefully I'll be back sometime next month, if it's resolved.
Kind regards, Brian
HI Brian, considering webmaster updates, are you reconsidering your position?
Thanks in any case, your work is appreciate and considerate by all of us.
Cheers Paul
Hi Paul (and everyone).,
I'm waiting to see what happens. Coding should be put in place immediately to limit the size of the photo and to allow one upload per sighting.
In the meantime, I'm exploring another online database that seems easier to load multiple sightings in a trip report and to add aircraft that's not currently in their DB.
At the moment I have to create a new record for every aircraft that's not in the current DB (most of my military sightings!) together with all the history and owners, then go back to log my sighting against it. That's why it's taking me so long to catch up with my personal logging and I've become so frustrated with the current situation as I'm wasting time looking at whirling icons waiting for the record to be created, but getting timed out because the server is too slow. Every time we create/add/amend a record the system completely rewrites the record (instead of just amending what's changed - even just adding a c/n) so as I deal with the biggest fleets in the world (most air arms are larger than airlines) it takes forever.
I'm not convinced it won't happen again in the near future when this new server gets chewed up with more multiple photos unless processes are put in place immediately.
I have a busy work week ahead of me, so no decision will be made before next weekend at the earliest, and I'll let everyone know if I'm staying or going.
Kind regards, Brian
Dear all,
I have, this evening, sent an email to the webmaster outlining a few things that, in my opinion, need to change in order to make the site work better and to encourage more Premium members (after all, that's what pays for the server & upgrades). We Data Editors give up our spare time for the love of the hobby!
It also includes a request for regular (at least monthly) updates from him as to what is being worked on to resolve any issues or enhance the system, as I for one, have seen a total lack of communication in this regard.
Depending on his response to my suggestions, I'll make my final decision on whether to continue or not.
I have received offers of data editor positions with two other online sites, but really would like to continue here as I don't fancy throwing away nearly 4 years worth of work, and having to input some 56,000 sightings (with thousands more to go) into another site.
I'll let you know my decision once I receive his response.
Kind regards, Brian
Thanks Brian for your update, it's much appreciated.
Whgat about having extra Editor to help you? As you said, you have to manage the biggest air fleet in the world. Maybe some of us would be happy to help?
Paul
Hi Paul,
Many thanks for the kind offer. It's not the workload that's the issue (well, not most of the time until I get really busy with my business) but the system. Even when Dennis and I are both updating records at the same time (he's in Germany, I'm in the UK) we get slow response times. I understand the system re-writes an entire record (sometimes the 'old' USAAF/USAF types can have up to 20 different owners across their lifetime) and this gets re-written even if we change one letter in the text somewhere, so even if we had 10 military editors we'd still struggle with the system re-writing USAF database entries. Dennis has the same trouble with the size of his 'Private Owner' database, which is why I started using 'unknown' as it was a smaller size!
The positive news is that we have our first communication from the webmaster today as to what's going on, so at least I know he read my email. Just waiting on a response from him on my other points before I decide what to do at the weekend. You never know, you may be taking over my chair soon!
Kind regards, Brian
FAREWELL
Dear all,
I have received a response from the webmaster and it's not encouraging! He doesn't know what's causing the slow response times and he's not going to upgrade the server again (after this last upgrade) due to cost. He's also not willing to limit the size or number of photos being uploaded so I fear it'll be back to more slow responses once the multiple photos (they're still happening) chew up this new disk space. In fact I've noticed slower response times today. The mobile app is in a mess (and the company used to create it are too busy to fix it), and the fleet pages have been a mess for over 2 years, so I'm leaving.
I'll still be a member for now, but there'll be no more updates from me, as I'm now focusing on my own logs on another system. before I join them as a data editor (I'll let you know what it is in due course).
It's been a pleasure to chat to so many fellow enthusiasts and I wish you all a safe and happy spotting future.
Kindest regards, Brian
What a sad news...Even if I understand your point of view, it remains sad and a big loose for the site. You cleaned and organized so many things.
Anyway, thanks for what you did, time and efforts for all of us.
Cheers. Paul
We will all be sorry to see you leave Brian as you have worked so hard on all our updates since you became a data editor. Totally understand your reasons and I'm guessing you won't be the only one reconsider where they do their logging. Please do let us know where you are going to when you can as those of us who do decide to have a rethink might want to follow. Thanks for all your help in the past and all the best for the future.
Steve
Hi Brian,
Very sorry to learn of your decision. As Paul says this will be a great loss to the website.
Volunteers are not easy to find these days so communicating with them and responding by return is absolutely vital for a business.
Many thanks for all your past efforts - always much appreciated.
Best wishes,
Swakeleys
Hi Brian,
I am very sorry too.I'm also glad that I'm close to 100% of my military sightings because of your hard work in the last 2 years or was it 3? Thanks a lot!
Since you said nothing about giving up on the drinks I owe you, I bet you're clever enough to open up an 'I AM THIRSTY' topic early enough to give me time to either get a couple of days off or buy a one-way-ticket to Stingytown.
Should You ever feel unchallenged again, just open up a 'CSI Southampton' Topic for sightings so vague, that they should better be called wild guesses. That's all I could offer at the moment.
I'll hear from You, I fear
Erdni
17-08229
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Hi Brian,
very sad news to see you leaving as an editor. You did a great job here and until a few months ago, the site was really getting interesting for the mil spotter and becomming a good source on information. This was mainly to your input.
Let´s see what happens here, maybe I change to another site as well.
Many thanks for working up my additions over the last years and all the best for you.
Kind regards, Alfred.
Hi Brian, May I echo the sentiments of others: l’m very grateful for all your hard work over the years, and I’ll be sorry to see you go. Best wishes, Dan
Hi Brian (if around still somehow)
I think it was You, who finally put the pressure up to finally get problems mainly solved. From my point of view, the site runs much better now. The fact, that you will not benefit from it somehow makes you fit with my definition of a hero.
Then again I see, You did some loggings today. Nice to know, you are still around.
Sad news for the hero: I found a Dak, 5 minutes ago. Dennis won't jump for joy like you would have done.
If they ever make a movie out of your life, they will be sorry, that neither Paul Newman nor Steve McQueen are still around to be casted.
Cheers.
Erdni
Hi All,
Thanks for your kind words.
Just to clarify the situation, I'm not against photos on the site, indeed I've loaded a few myself, but I do object to the selfish few loading multiple virtually identical shots of the same aircraft, on the same day , at the same location in the same markings...utterly pointless when all it did was slow down response times for everyone else.
I have most of my civil records logged on this site, so (as previously stated) I'll still be a member for now until I gradually move all my sightings across to the new site I'll be working with going forward. I plan to start as a data editor with them at the end of February as there's a major update planned for the next couple of weeks loading 1.2m reg's and I'll be focusing (initially) on getting the US Mil side of the house in order, before taking on a wider mil role.
I'll let you all know where & when in the near future.
I've spoken with Dennis and he's not able to take on mil updates (as he's inundated with civvy light requests) so I guess they'll all have to go on hold until a new data editor can be found.
Take care, Brian
Considering the amount of request, having 2 mili editors should be a good idea. Even for civil.
It can't be a one man job...
Paul
14-20689 Sikorsky UH-60M
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12-72236 Eurocopter UH-72A
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Hi Brian
Could you add
790039 Lockheed Martin KC-130J, msn 382-5915, United States military
Thanks
Bjoern
Morning Brian,
Can you please add 92-0551, a USAF C130H Hercules please
Many thanks James
Northrop T-38A - c/n N5848
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Hello,
Please add C130H 92-1533 c/n 5322 USAF
Please add Beech C12F 84-0144 c/n BL-74 USAF
Regards, Simon
Eurocopter MH-65D - c/n 6814
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Any news on the possibility to have a new editor for military reg?
People keep asking reg but there is nobody to create entries...
Boeing MH-47G Chinook - c/n M3774
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Hey Brian,
Good luck and thanks for everything over the years. You do a sterling job. Appreciate you might not upload the following planes into the system, but I will leave them here, just in case. If you don't load them, maybe someone else can.
NZ6372 = BAC-167 Strikemaster Mk88 (c/n 342), now registered as ZK-BAC - current operator = BAC167 Strikemaster Ltd
NZ406 = Avro Anson Mk1 (apparently this is actually NZ415 according to adf-serials.com.au) - on display at RNZAF Museum Wigram
PK286 = Airspeed Oxford Mk1 - on display at RNZAF Museum Wigram
NZ3442 = Kaman SH-2F Seasprite - on display at RNZAF Museum Wigram
ZK-WAR = North American AT-6D Harvard Mk3 (c/n 88-16506), previously NZ1092, EZ361, 42-84725 - current operator = private owner
ZK-DAJ = Cessna 305A Bird Dog (c/n 22548), previously N40SD, N234BD, N4728S, 51-12234 - current operator = The Strome Farm Trust
N700HL = Grumman F8F Bearcat (c/n D.1088)
N47201 = Grumman F4F Wildcat (c/n 3268)
NZ1401 = Beechcraft T-6C-Texan (c/n PM-37) - Royal New Zealand Air Force
NZ1402 = Beechcraft T-6C-Texan (c/n PM-38) - Royal New Zealand Air Force
NZ1403 = Beechcraft T-6C-Texan (c/n PM-41) - Royal New Zealand Air Force
NZ1404 = Beechcraft T-6C-Texan (c/n PM-42) - Royal New Zealand Air Force
NZ1405 = Beechcraft T-6C-Texan (c/n PM-43) - Royal New Zealand Air Force
NZ1406 = Beechcraft T-6C-Texan (c/n PM-44) - Royal New Zealand Air Force
NZ1407 = Beechcraft T-6C-Texan (c/n PM-45) - Royal New Zealand Air Force
Best regards
Martin
Hi could you please add
45+94 Tornado IDS GS235 German Air Force
658 F16 6K-030 Norwegian Air Force
E51 Alpha jet E51 French Air Force
E130 Alpha jet E130 French Air Force
E135 Alpha Jet E135 French Air Force
E163 Alpha Jet E163 French Air Force
Q-19 AH-64 DN019 R Netherlands AF
Q-27 AH-64 DN027 R Netherlands AF
J-144 F16 6D-134 RNAF
J-513 F16 6D-152 RNAF
J-876 F16 6D-093 RNAF
91-0360 F-16C CC-058 USAF
91-0361 F-16C CC-059 USAF
66-0215 Hercules MC-130P 4165 USAF
many thanks Andy
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Right now, nobody took over Brian... We are still waiting (almost 1 year) that someone will replace his departure...
Hi Brian
Please can these two be added:
G-RIMM(XT435) : WESTLAND WASP HAS1, c/n F.9605
G-HDAE(WP964) : De Havilland DHC-1 Chipmunk T.10 C/N C1/0826
Many thanks
Mike
just to get rid of the spam
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